The same false equivalency often extends to the kind of arguments these people make. You get reasoned, fact-based arguments from one side and the other offers false info, goofy internet conspiracy theories, feelings, and religious beliefs. You've seen it on TV: You have a trained historian, an expert on the Holocaust who has done years of research and written books on the subject... and he's sitting there on TV w/ a Holocaust denier who's practically wearing a tinfoil hat and he wants to be taken just as seriously.
Wednesday, November 23, 2016
I wrote in my last post about my intolerance for Trump supporters, concluding that valuing tolerance does not mean tolerating EVERYTHING and that some things remain intolerable. I still have more to say and think through as I continue to process what I think and how I feel. I’m going to do these in a series of posts and try to impose some logic and order to it.
Here, I want to pick up the thread that tolerance is not the same as moral relativism and my impatience with Trump supporters drawing this objectively absurd and false equivalence between Trump, Pence and Bannon on the one side and Obama and the Clintons on the other. (For more on that, I highly recommend this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz_o0LgP8xQ )
The moral relativists want to say that all views no matter how extreme and destructive are the same, so the things Trump (“waterboarding and worse”), Pence (advocating for conversion “therapy” to be used on gay kids), Bannon (didn’t want his kids going to private school b/c there were “too many Jews”), Sessions (said white lawyers who defend black clients are “race traitors”), and Flynn (said Islam is a “cancer”) say and advocate is all somehow no worse than advocating for clean energy, a path to citizenship, and universal healthcare.
I accept there is a realm for legitimate political differences – stemming from policy differences, questions about the best way to achieve goals, trying to find the correct analysis of facts… but also basic political philosophies about rights, the duties of citizens and the duties of government, etc.
However, taking all of that into account, I can still be a “moral realist,” which means there are actual, objectively right and wrong (or “better and worse”) answers to moral questions – testable and provable based on data-driven, real world evidence!
Let me use homosexuality as an example. We can prove w/ actual, fact-based evidence that pedophilia is bad: it traumatizes and harms its victims. But objections to homosexuality are always reducible to misinformation (“Gays are all pedophiles”), or non-provable opinions based in either personal taste (“That’s gross”) or religion (“That’s a sin”), neither of which counts as fact-based evidence. This is why marriage equality won in the Supreme Court: because they couldn’t offer any evidence based in the real, shared, observable world as to any harm it would cause.
de-funded Planed Parenthood, the deaths of low-income women from complications
in childbirth DOUBLED! Those are actual,
real deaths the Republican Party caused – not kooky hysteria over make-believe
Obamacare “death panels.” That is fact
Sam Harris wrote: “Meaning, values, morality, and the good life must relate to facts about the well-being of conscious creatures – and, in our case, must lawfully depend upon events in the world and upon states of the human brain.” (The Moral Landscape, 2010)
Trans rights to access public bathrooms? Fact: There is no case anywhere in
U.S. history of a trans person
molesting anyone in a public restroom or someone posing as a trans person to
molest someone in a public restroom even though some large cities and some
whole states have had trans bathroom rights in the laws since the ‘90s. Feeling: “But allowing trans-women to go into
the ladies room makes me feel scared or uncomfortable.” Those two things are not equivalent! You morally can’t inhibit people’s rights and
impose an undue burden upon them just because you might FEEL uncomfortable –
not when those feelings aren’t based in any real world evidence… and are
actually contradicted by the evidence. (“I
don’t want to share bathrooms and water fountains w/ black people because – ew,
Sex education? Every study has shown that districts with abstinence only sex “education” have higher rates of teen pregnancy than districts w/ comprehensive, science-based sex ed. How you feel about that or your religious beliefs (or what the Pope says God says) doesn’t count the same as actual, objective evidence. You’re bringing subjective feeling and opinion to a fact fight.
(Incidentally, as a moral realist, I don’t claim there is only one right answer to a particular moral problem; only that, based in objective evidence, some answers are provably better than others. In some cases there may be many answers that are good… but almost always there will be some answers that can be clearly shown to be wrong.)
Why am I making a big deal of this? Because just like the normalization of Donald Trump (trying to make him, Pence, and Bannan look like the conservative equivalents of Obama and Clinton) is a false equivalence, so too are many of the arguments conservatives bring to the table where they try to argue from opinion or feeling. I am not anti-religion, but what your Bible says (for example) isn’t equivalent to actual real world data about health, happiness and well being. All that view is, is an implicit moral relativism – b/c if your subjective beliefs and feelings count as much as actual facts… well, then so does everyone’s, and fuck all chance of finding an answer!
In my next post, I plan to address a third false equivalence I’m sick of: straight, white Christians men feeling victimized and oppressed by liberal "political correctness" – acting like us asking them not to be a bigot is the same as them stepping on the rights of women, LGBTQ people, blacks, Muslims and other minorities.
Friday, November 11, 2016
I’ve written so many pages trying to analyze and process what has happened to our country/world… too many to post. I think what is most immediately on my mind however, is a question I’ve been wrestling with for a year: How do I relate to my friends and family who support Trump-Pence and their platform? Ranging from casual friends to my own brother to my wife’s parents…
According to a survey I saw (I think on Vox), in 1964, around 30% of Republicans and Democrats thought the other party was actually a danger to the
In 2010, it had risen up to almost 80% of both parties. That is BAD for
democracy. It’s okay for the parties to
oppose and work against one-another. But
when you hate and fear one-another, that can’t happen in a healthy
democracy. We, on the left, should not
hate and fear the GOP, and visa-versa.
Seth Myers talked about how, after the election, he felt sadness, anger, and fear, but then he realized that these were the same emotions a lot of Trump supporters felt about Obama and Hillary and, “it would be wrong of me to think that my emotions are somehow more authentic than their emotions.” I thought about that…
But he’s wrong.
Outrage at the election of Obama is not morally equivalent to outrage at the election of Trump. Because we of one party should not view the opposition as a serious danger to the country… unless it actually is. And, therein, lies the rub.
Recently, my Alpha posted this: “Fuck all this "I don't unfriend people over political views" shit. If your political views include being pro genocide, anti equal rights…, hating gays, hating women, hating immigrants (and are ignorant enough to think a great wall is coming free of charge from Mexico), or thinking "I'm in favor of conservative economic policies, so I'm voting for this asshole who isn't qualified to run a country" [Note: Trump will be the first US President who never served in either public office or the military.], seriously, fuck you. I really want you to tell me if you supported him so I can avoid you forever… Like, Stein believes in magic crystals and Johnson is libertarian, but I don't mind people voting for them as they aren't terrible, terrible people.”
Likewise, I can have friends who supported Bush-Cheney or voted for Romney or McCain. I disagree with them – but those fall within the realm of normal political disagreements. Trump is NOT a normal case! Trump is a dangerous narcissist with obvious sociopahic tendencies (total lack of empathy) who has casually talked about murdering innocent people (killing the families of terrorists), bragged about committing sexual assault, said he will have people tortured (“waterboarding and worse”), and praised totalitarian dictators as examples of great leadership. Trump is NOT the conservative equivalent to Obama or the Clintons (that would be more in line w/ Romney, McCain or George H.W. Bush). No, Trump is such an extreme case that the Left equivalent of him would be like Mao or Stalin.
To those who say: “To all posters... Please STOP trying to put this country in Civil War... Don't try to divide this nation more”… You are basically Neville Chamberlain. People who are posting junk like, “Apparently tolerance and compromise only applies to others,” are making a (deliberate?) false equivalence. Asking for tolerance for the views of a typical, centrist left-moderate like Obama or Clinton (universal healthcare and family leave, for instance, are common, ordinary things throughout most of the civilized world) is not equivalent to asking to tolerate the views of a man who talked casually about murdering innocent people, said “laziness is a trait in blacks,” argued for greater nuclear proliferation, said Mexican-Americans are drug dealers and rapists, said he will order torture, ban all Muslims from entering the country, etc. Fighting for tolerance does not mean fighting to tolerate EVERYTHING. Tolerance is not total moral relativism. Some things remain intolerable.
I will not be tolerant of your support of Trump. That has moved too far outside of the normal political disagreements that are actually (usually) healthy for democracy. I won’t be tolerant of it any more than I would tolerate white supremacists, fascists, or
ISIS. There is a line beyond which you are no
longer welcome at my table.